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	<description>A Yank. A Brit. Two Terriers. A Vineyard. And a Dream.</description>
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		<title>By: jar.io</title>
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		<dc:creator>jar.io</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jonh Wayne, o eterno mocinho...&lt;/strong&gt;

Os filmes protagonizados por Jonh Wayne são quase sempre cheios de mensagens de otimismo, força, altruísmo e soluções corretas.  Seus filmes são obras extraordinariamente geniais na sétima arte.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jonh Wayne, o eterno mocinho&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Os filmes protagonizados por Jonh Wayne são quase sempre cheios de mensagens de otimismo, força, altruísmo e soluções corretas.  Seus filmes são obras extraordinariamente geniais na sétima arte.<br />
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your assessment of &lt;i&gt;The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance&lt;/i&gt;.

I think the greatest Ford/Wayne movie where Ford&#039;s skills as a director were used for best effect and where Wayne was being his great &#039;John Wayne&#039; self was &lt;i&gt;They Were Expendable&lt;/i&gt;.  Compared to Ford and Wayne&#039;s westerns along with films like &lt;i&gt;The Quiet Man&lt;/i&gt;, this movie is terribly underrated.  John Wayne&#039;s chemistry with his costar Robert Montgomery was excellent and the supporting cast including Donna Reed and Ward Bond was strong, but not overpowering in the usual WWII stereotypical way (Bond&#039;s character was Irish, but certainly not the way Victor McLaglen was in the Cavalry Trilogy).  The movie with its &#039;end of the world as we know it&#039; theme and poignant conclusion where Montgomery and Wayne flew away while their left-behind crew were doomed left out any chances for Ford&#039;s usual attempts at comedy to ruin it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your assessment of <i>The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance</i>.</p>
<p>I think the greatest Ford/Wayne movie where Ford&#8217;s skills as a director were used for best effect and where Wayne was being his great &#8216;John Wayne&#8217; self was <i>They Were Expendable</i>.  Compared to Ford and Wayne&#8217;s westerns along with films like <i>The Quiet Man</i>, this movie is terribly underrated.  John Wayne&#8217;s chemistry with his costar Robert Montgomery was excellent and the supporting cast including Donna Reed and Ward Bond was strong, but not overpowering in the usual WWII stereotypical way (Bond&#8217;s character was Irish, but certainly not the way Victor McLaglen was in the Cavalry Trilogy).  The movie with its &#8216;end of the world as we know it&#8217; theme and poignant conclusion where Montgomery and Wayne flew away while their left-behind crew were doomed left out any chances for Ford&#8217;s usual attempts at comedy to ruin it.</p>
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		<title>By: walter brennan &#124; Latest Trends</title>
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		<dc:creator>walter brennan &#124; Latest Trends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some of the comments on Ebert&#039;s site were really over the top. Haven&#039;t seen this much frothing at the mouth since the screaming about Hanoi Jane when Fonda released movies in the Seventies. The woman who equated John Wayne with Jeffery Daumer and John Wayne Gacy? WTF?

Most of the vitriol seems to stem from the infamous Playboy interview. While eyebrow raising, I question if the Duke as completely sober for that one. Or if he was seriously misquoted.

Especially when through the years of his career and after, almost anyone who came in contact with him has tales of his decency and kindness. And that goes for some people who were the victims of the Red Baiting Wayne supported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some of the comments on Ebert&#8217;s site were really over the top. Haven&#8217;t seen this much frothing at the mouth since the screaming about Hanoi Jane when Fonda released movies in the Seventies. The woman who equated John Wayne with Jeffery Daumer and John Wayne Gacy? WTF?</p>
<p>Most of the vitriol seems to stem from the infamous Playboy interview. While eyebrow raising, I question if the Duke as completely sober for that one. Or if he was seriously misquoted.</p>
<p>Especially when through the years of his career and after, almost anyone who came in contact with him has tales of his decency and kindness. And that goes for some people who were the victims of the Red Baiting Wayne supported.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly need to be more clear and precise about what I mean. I guess I tend to write in a sort of mental shorthand at times. I had just come from Ebert&#039;s site. Some of the opinions about JW and crew struck me as pretty judgmental. Something the inner hypocrisy detector in me screams that I do frequently myself...

I was speaking more about how the old westerns - and Ford - portrayed Indians, not how he actually treated them in person. This seems to be a point of contention in many discussions about old movies in general.

I really like your take on Ford&#039;s inconsistent themes. Your analysis is spot on, and that particular take blew right on by me. I was unaware of Ford&#039;s saving the Navajo tribe. It&#039;s also clear to me that I am in no way prepared to debate this subject with you even if I wanted to - heh. 

And, while I&#039;m here, congrats on the nod from Ebert!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly need to be more clear and precise about what I mean. I guess I tend to write in a sort of mental shorthand at times. I had just come from Ebert&#8217;s site. Some of the opinions about JW and crew struck me as pretty judgmental. Something the inner hypocrisy detector in me screams that I do frequently myself&#8230;</p>
<p>I was speaking more about how the old westerns &#8211; and Ford &#8211; portrayed Indians, not how he actually treated them in person. This seems to be a point of contention in many discussions about old movies in general.</p>
<p>I really like your take on Ford&#8217;s inconsistent themes. Your analysis is spot on, and that particular take blew right on by me. I was unaware of Ford&#8217;s saving the Navajo tribe. It&#8217;s also clear to me that I am in no way prepared to debate this subject with you even if I wanted to &#8211; heh. </p>
<p>And, while I&#8217;m here, congrats on the nod from Ebert!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t tend to blame Ford for his treatment of Indians. I blame him for inconsistent thematic material -- which is the greater sin of movie making.

As far as his treatment of Indians, when Ford decided to film Stagecoach, his first Monument Valley Western, it was the Depression and the Dust Bowl. The Navaho tribes were literally starving. He hired many local Navaho to play the Comanche and even more locals as caterers, set helpers, etc. Goulding, who owned the trading post that was the set of a lot of Ford&#039;s Valley Westerns, and the Inn where the actors stayed, credited Ford with single-handedly saving much of the tribe from a slow and horrible death.

So Ford gets loads of credit from me as a great humanitarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t tend to blame Ford for his treatment of Indians. I blame him for inconsistent thematic material &#8212; which is the greater sin of movie making.</p>
<p>As far as his treatment of Indians, when Ford decided to film Stagecoach, his first Monument Valley Western, it was the Depression and the Dust Bowl. The Navaho tribes were literally starving. He hired many local Navaho to play the Comanche and even more locals as caterers, set helpers, etc. Goulding, who owned the trading post that was the set of a lot of Ford&#8217;s Valley Westerns, and the Inn where the actors stayed, credited Ford with single-handedly saving much of the tribe from a slow and horrible death.</p>
<p>So Ford gets loads of credit from me as a great humanitarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; was a very insightful essay! I&#039;d never really considered the various flaws of Ford in &lt;i&gt;The Searchers&lt;/i&gt;, or in any other of his pics. Excellent food for thought - and I find myself agreeing completely! 

My mother was a major fan of JW,  but she sure made sure I was aware of the misogyny extant in &lt;i&gt;The Quiet Man&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;McLintock!&lt;/i&gt; Ford was hardly alone in his portrayal of Indians and other ethnic groups. How many Hop Sings did we see &quot;back in the day?&quot;

Since the popular media reflects society at the time, it&#039;s not really fair to dismiss old movies because of such shortcomings. After all, if &lt;i&gt;Rear Window&lt;/i&gt; were to be made today, no one would believe it. &quot;Jeff&quot; would have his blinds drawn and A/C fired up, watching cable television and surfing on the internet instead of looking out his window to stave off boredom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, <i>that</i> was a very insightful essay! I&#8217;d never really considered the various flaws of Ford in <i>The Searchers</i>, or in any other of his pics. Excellent food for thought &#8211; and I find myself agreeing completely! </p>
<p>My mother was a major fan of JW,  but she sure made sure I was aware of the misogyny extant in <i>The Quiet Man</i> and <i>McLintock!</i> Ford was hardly alone in his portrayal of Indians and other ethnic groups. How many Hop Sings did we see &#8220;back in the day?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the popular media reflects society at the time, it&#8217;s not really fair to dismiss old movies because of such shortcomings. After all, if <i>Rear Window</i> were to be made today, no one would believe it. &#8220;Jeff&#8221; would have his blinds drawn and A/C fired up, watching cable television and surfing on the internet instead of looking out his window to stave off boredom.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal favorites are _McLintock!_ and _Big Jake_, two of the five movies where he and Maureen O&#039;Hara appeared together.  They were a great team.  I like all of his movies and have a number of them on various media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal favorites are _McLintock!_ and _Big Jake_, two of the five movies where he and Maureen O&#8217;Hara appeared together.  They were a great team.  I like all of his movies and have a number of them on various media.</p>
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		<title>By: carma</title>
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		<dc:creator>carma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Roger Ebert stops on by to read your tribute. Well done as always!  I like that John Waynes acting technique was &quot;no technique&quot; compare that to the stars of today who speak as if acting is rocket science!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Roger Ebert stops on by to read your tribute. Well done as always!  I like that John Waynes acting technique was &#8220;no technique&#8221; compare that to the stars of today who speak as if acting is rocket science!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The picture is one I took from my cross-country roadtrip two years ago. It is Monument Valley, the site of many John Ford/John Wayne Westerns. And it is spectacular. One of the most beautiful places in the West. It&#039;s in what is called The Four Corners area: the place where ARizona, Colorado, Utah and New Mexico meet. It&#039;s not near anything, but out in the middle of the sprawling Navaho reservation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The picture is one I took from my cross-country roadtrip two years ago. It is Monument Valley, the site of many John Ford/John Wayne Westerns. And it is spectacular. One of the most beautiful places in the West. It&#8217;s in what is called The Four Corners area: the place where ARizona, Colorado, Utah and New Mexico meet. It&#8217;s not near anything, but out in the middle of the sprawling Navaho reservation.</p>
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