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		<title>By: The Donny Osmond Appreciation Society &#124; Left Coast Cowboys</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Donny Osmond Appreciation Society &#124; Left Coast Cowboys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] readers will remember when I first mentioned Donny Osmond on this blog. It was a throw-away line in a post I wrote about Michael Jackson&#8217;s death. In response to my musing that I thought Donny was an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yes, It&#8217;s Another Donny Osmond Post! &#124; Left Coast Cowboys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yes, It&#8217;s Another Donny Osmond Post! &#124; Left Coast Cowboys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] readers will remember when I first mentioned Donny Osmond on this blog. It was a throw-away line in a post I wrote about Michael Jackson&#8217;s death. In response to my musing that I thought Donny was an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Top Ten Posts on Left Coast Cowboys From Jul 2009 &#124; Left Coast Cowboys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top Ten Posts on Left Coast Cowboys From Jul 2009 &#124; Left Coast Cowboys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Second Look at the Man in the Mirror Posted on Friday, July 3rd, 2009 in Arts &amp; Culture - Comments: (12) So I was planning to resist this whole Michael Jackson sobfest. And here I am putting up my second MJ post in two days. I still have deeply ambivalent feelings about him. Sure, his songs played through my childhood and young adulthood, although I wasn&#8217;t a super fan. I even went so far yesterday as to reclaim him from Generation X to his rightful place with those of us sandwiched between the Xers and the Baby Boomers, Generation Jones. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A Second Look at the Man in the Mirror Posted on Friday, July 3rd, 2009 in Arts &amp; Culture &#8211; Comments: (12) So I was planning to resist this whole Michael Jackson sobfest. And here I am putting up my second MJ post in two days. I still have deeply ambivalent feelings about him. Sure, his songs played through my childhood and young adulthood, although I wasn&#8217;t a super fan. I even went so far yesterday as to reclaim him from Generation X to his rightful place with those of us sandwiched between the Xers and the Baby Boomers, Generation Jones. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Donny Osmond Post: Where I Out Myself as the Uncoolest Person in America &#124; Left Coast Cowboys</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Donny Osmond Post: Where I Out Myself as the Uncoolest Person in America &#124; Left Coast Cowboys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] alone in my Donny Osmond fandom. I had a throwaway line about Donny Osmond being underrated in this Michael Jackson post. Surprisingly, it generated more comments on Donny than it did on Michael. Although most commenters [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] alone in my Donny Osmond fandom. I had a throwaway line about Donny Osmond being underrated in this Michael Jackson post. Surprisingly, it generated more comments on Donny than it did on Michael. Although most commenters [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much much food for thought here Nordette. Which is why I was hoping you&#039;d weigh in.

I was being a little glib when I said we didn&#039;t think of MJ as Black. But, there was a point when many Americans couldn&#039;t (and some still can&#039;t) see beyond race. They saw a Black face and that&#039;s all they saw, not the individual behind the skin. I think Michael Jackson was one of those breakthrough people where, as young kids, we didn&#039;t see &quot;A BLACK KID&quot;, but we saw what we thought was a Cool Kid, an individual. Same with earlier characters like Sydney Poitier, who was one of the first Black men in movies who was not seen just as &quot;A Black Man&quot;, but as a more complex person, a romantic hero, an actor, a complex individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much much food for thought here Nordette. Which is why I was hoping you&#8217;d weigh in.</p>
<p>I was being a little glib when I said we didn&#8217;t think of MJ as Black. But, there was a point when many Americans couldn&#8217;t (and some still can&#8217;t) see beyond race. They saw a Black face and that&#8217;s all they saw, not the individual behind the skin. I think Michael Jackson was one of those breakthrough people where, as young kids, we didn&#8217;t see &#8220;A BLACK KID&#8221;, but we saw what we thought was a Cool Kid, an individual. Same with earlier characters like Sydney Poitier, who was one of the first Black men in movies who was not seen just as &#8220;A Black Man&#8221;, but as a more complex person, a romantic hero, an actor, a complex individual.</p>
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		<title>By: nordette aka verite</title>
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		<dc:creator>nordette aka verite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Jackson was about a year and half older than I am. I grew up with him on my walls when he was part of the J-5, back when everybody in the black neighborhoods were still calling each other to yell, &quot;Turn to Ed Sullivan. There&#039;s black people on TV.&quot;

I lost interest in him over the years as I had babies and he became famous as a solo artist, later morphing and revealing a self-loathing. Who gets blamed for that? My money&#039;s on his dad and something in Michael we can&#039;t understand. Growing older, I leaned more toward Prince and less toward bubble gum pop songs. So, while I could appreciate the skill behind Billie Jean or Rock With You, the creative genius of Thriller, I didn&#039;t race out to buy the albums, yet I always recognized MJ&#039;s tremendous talent and would tune in to see him dance. As I grew older, I was far more impressed by his ability to recreate in a 10-minute music video what felt like a Hollywood musical than I was into his his actual songs. Still, I know many of the words to his songs.

Michael was a complex, frequently tortured soul which makes it possible he was a pedophile but he could also have been what he said he was, a man trying to regain his childhood living vicariously through children. He admitted to sleeping with a child, not having sex with a child. While I think that was creepy, incredibly creepy, it&#039;s possible all he did was sleep with the child the way a father, mother, or big brother cuddles with a child and that his fascination with children was a fascination with loss. 

I know he was accused of horrible things and maybe he did them. It&#039;s hard to defend him in anyway because let&#039;s face, MJ was weird. But I also remember the children from the McMartin pre-school case. When they grew up, they recanted, saying they&#039;d never been molested but were manipulated by paranoid parents and psychologists to say they&#039;d been molested.  I say this as a person who&#039;s had to face both a molester and a rapist, who believes we should listen to children&#039;s voices.  However, with the big pay-off a parent could get accusing Michael Jackson of anything, it&#039;s possible he settled the case just to make it go away, and the second case came about because a greedy parent bet on how he&#039;d settled the first one. We&#039;ll never know. 

I have no substantive comment on his cross-over appeal or his being like MLK or any other Civil Rights leader. However, the analogy in general doesn&#039;t sit well with me because I&#039;ve watched some gangsta rap artists claim the same thing, that they&#039;ve bridged the racial divide. How? Through projecting an image that sticks in the heads of white people and becomes a caricature of the black man or black woman as though we are monolithic?  

But if people want to claim MJ, a man who clearly had a crisis in his racial identity, as a figure who could reconcile one group to another, then that&#039;s what he was to them.  I&#039;ve always been black and MJ always sang the music I&#039;ve been used to. I have no memory of getting closer to anyone of another race because we both listened to Michael Jackson music. I remember singing Billy Joel with some white kids, not Michael Jackson.

If he is such a figure, then should the credit be given to him or to the man who forced MTV to run his videos, which made MJ the first African-American artist to be played on MTV. Without his appearance on that network, he may not have achieved the level of stardom he did. Somebody kicked a door down for him for the sake of making money, and that gave him the chance to shine, something he&#039;d been doing since he was 3 years old.

I think he was an exceptionally talented entertainer. If his music drew the races closer, then good. If not,  he was still a gifted entertainer, much imitated, never repeated.  I think he will be studied for years to come in the context of race relations, business skills, talent, and the struggle for identity some African-Americans face in America more than others. At the moment, I think this global mourning has as much to do with the death of an icon as it does to do with people grappling with their own mortality through the loss of someone they feel they knew.

Finally, if white kids don&#039;t see MJ as black, then it&#039;s possible he made no difference at all in matters of race. To be color blind or free of color has nothing to do with the eradication of racism. We have to see people as they are even when they are &quot;the other&quot; and love and respect them just the same.

N.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.examiner.com/x-10713-AfricanAmerican-Books--Examiner~y2009m6d27-Michael-Jacksons-message-on-a-napkinhave-mercy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael Jackson&#039;s Message on a Napkin&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Jackson was about a year and half older than I am. I grew up with him on my walls when he was part of the J-5, back when everybody in the black neighborhoods were still calling each other to yell, &#8220;Turn to Ed Sullivan. There&#8217;s black people on TV.&#8221;</p>
<p>I lost interest in him over the years as I had babies and he became famous as a solo artist, later morphing and revealing a self-loathing. Who gets blamed for that? My money&#8217;s on his dad and something in Michael we can&#8217;t understand. Growing older, I leaned more toward Prince and less toward bubble gum pop songs. So, while I could appreciate the skill behind Billie Jean or Rock With You, the creative genius of Thriller, I didn&#8217;t race out to buy the albums, yet I always recognized MJ&#8217;s tremendous talent and would tune in to see him dance. As I grew older, I was far more impressed by his ability to recreate in a 10-minute music video what felt like a Hollywood musical than I was into his his actual songs. Still, I know many of the words to his songs.</p>
<p>Michael was a complex, frequently tortured soul which makes it possible he was a pedophile but he could also have been what he said he was, a man trying to regain his childhood living vicariously through children. He admitted to sleeping with a child, not having sex with a child. While I think that was creepy, incredibly creepy, it&#8217;s possible all he did was sleep with the child the way a father, mother, or big brother cuddles with a child and that his fascination with children was a fascination with loss. </p>
<p>I know he was accused of horrible things and maybe he did them. It&#8217;s hard to defend him in anyway because let&#8217;s face, MJ was weird. But I also remember the children from the McMartin pre-school case. When they grew up, they recanted, saying they&#8217;d never been molested but were manipulated by paranoid parents and psychologists to say they&#8217;d been molested.  I say this as a person who&#8217;s had to face both a molester and a rapist, who believes we should listen to children&#8217;s voices.  However, with the big pay-off a parent could get accusing Michael Jackson of anything, it&#8217;s possible he settled the case just to make it go away, and the second case came about because a greedy parent bet on how he&#8217;d settled the first one. We&#8217;ll never know. </p>
<p>I have no substantive comment on his cross-over appeal or his being like MLK or any other Civil Rights leader. However, the analogy in general doesn&#8217;t sit well with me because I&#8217;ve watched some gangsta rap artists claim the same thing, that they&#8217;ve bridged the racial divide. How? Through projecting an image that sticks in the heads of white people and becomes a caricature of the black man or black woman as though we are monolithic?  </p>
<p>But if people want to claim MJ, a man who clearly had a crisis in his racial identity, as a figure who could reconcile one group to another, then that&#8217;s what he was to them.  I&#8217;ve always been black and MJ always sang the music I&#8217;ve been used to. I have no memory of getting closer to anyone of another race because we both listened to Michael Jackson music. I remember singing Billy Joel with some white kids, not Michael Jackson.</p>
<p>If he is such a figure, then should the credit be given to him or to the man who forced MTV to run his videos, which made MJ the first African-American artist to be played on MTV. Without his appearance on that network, he may not have achieved the level of stardom he did. Somebody kicked a door down for him for the sake of making money, and that gave him the chance to shine, something he&#8217;d been doing since he was 3 years old.</p>
<p>I think he was an exceptionally talented entertainer. If his music drew the races closer, then good. If not,  he was still a gifted entertainer, much imitated, never repeated.  I think he will be studied for years to come in the context of race relations, business skills, talent, and the struggle for identity some African-Americans face in America more than others. At the moment, I think this global mourning has as much to do with the death of an icon as it does to do with people grappling with their own mortality through the loss of someone they feel they knew.</p>
<p>Finally, if white kids don&#8217;t see MJ as black, then it&#8217;s possible he made no difference at all in matters of race. To be color blind or free of color has nothing to do with the eradication of racism. We have to see people as they are even when they are &#8220;the other&#8221; and love and respect them just the same.</p>
<p>N.<br />
<a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-10713-AfricanAmerican-Books--Examiner~y2009m6d27-Michael-Jacksons-message-on-a-napkinhave-mercy">Michael Jackson&#8217;s Message on a Napkin</a></p>
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		<title>By: carma</title>
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		<dc:creator>carma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen Donny Osmond&#039;s performance in Weird Al&#039;s White and Nerdy video? - you are spot on about his talent- great comedic timing and dude can dance!  Now I have exposed myself as a total dork who watches Weird Al videos LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen Donny Osmond&#8217;s performance in Weird Al&#8217;s White and Nerdy video? &#8211; you are spot on about his talent- great comedic timing and dude can dance!  Now I have exposed myself as a total dork who watches Weird Al videos LOL</p>
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		<title>By: MAYBELLINE</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAYBELLINE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tormented talent, no doubt.  I use Michael Jackson and his mother when speaking to my kids (no grown).  How must Mrs. Jackson feel to see the hatchet job done to her perfect baby?  I tell my kids that I brought them into this world beautiful and perfect.  Please don&#039;t ruin yourself with tattoos, piercings, or plastic surgury.  What torment.

Lisa, I&#039;m with you on the Osmonds.  Donny really has talent.  They all have talent.  Interesting to see the different outcomes of 2 talented families.

Enjoy the 4th!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tormented talent, no doubt.  I use Michael Jackson and his mother when speaking to my kids (no grown).  How must Mrs. Jackson feel to see the hatchet job done to her perfect baby?  I tell my kids that I brought them into this world beautiful and perfect.  Please don&#8217;t ruin yourself with tattoos, piercings, or plastic surgury.  What torment.</p>
<p>Lisa, I&#8217;m with you on the Osmonds.  Donny really has talent.  They all have talent.  Interesting to see the different outcomes of 2 talented families.</p>
<p>Enjoy the 4th!</p>
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		<title>By: So You Think You Can Dance &#124; All Days Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>So You Think You Can Dance &#124; All Days Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  A Second Look at the Man in the Mirror &#124; Left Coast Cowboys  By Lisa  So I was planning to resist this whole Michael Jackson sobfest. And here I am putting up my second MJ post in two days. I still have deeply ambivalent feelings. &#8230; Even if we didn&#039;t articulate it, I think we were expecting a busload of Michael Jacksons to show up. You know, cool kids with sunny smiles who could teach us great dance moves to Rockin&#039; Robin (Remember we were White. We couldn&#039;t dance.) I&#039;m not saying that radical intergenerational perception shift made much &#8230;   Left Coast Cowboys &#8211; http://leftcoastcowboys.com/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  A Second Look at the Man in the Mirror | Left Coast Cowboys  By Lisa  So I was planning to resist this whole Michael Jackson sobfest. And here I am putting up my second MJ post in two days. I still have deeply ambivalent feelings. &#8230; Even if we didn&#39;t articulate it, I think we were expecting a busload of Michael Jacksons to show up. You know, cool kids with sunny smiles who could teach us great dance moves to Rockin&#39; Robin (Remember we were White. We couldn&#39;t dance.) I&#39;m not saying that radical intergenerational perception shift made much &#8230;   Left Coast Cowboys &#8211; <a href="http://leftcoastcowboys.com/">http://leftcoastcowboys.com/</a> [...]</p>
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